Is Apple spying on us? Plus: here it is, iPhone 13! (CultCast #505)

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louis just because you're in italy doesn't mean you can be relaxed on this show come on tighten it up that was an option

obnoxious i think we're live let me send out this

tweet i forgot it last week and then i better find that

you know honestly on a tweet effectiveness scale i give this one probably a 6.2 out of 10. it's not my best work

i put 13 here it is yeah we're talking about it is apple scanning all your iphone photos

you can feel free to massage that language but we i feel i feel confident about that title

level remix is here and we're live

we got a uh we got just like a glowing skype box for louis and i think i'm gonna just leave it

there i thought about i thought about just going me and um leander on this one louis but uh i think

i'm gonna just leave you as a glowing skype box you got your recording going right louis oh yeah okay pick up the picture of the

uh polenta and guanciale you want to give me a picture i'll put it up there but the problem is um

uh we lost you on in the cast room so i i need to make sure that we're getting your recording leader looks frozen he's

not he's just doing something i don't know what's going on oh god my now trace is calling me oh we'll answer it this is

the chicken i don't think that's a good idea yeah i don't either i was just joking

maybe you could invite her on stream in her towel like lewis just did we could spice up the [ __ ]

you know if you want to make things really spicy we need to get lewis on the stream in his towel oh my god

oh my goodness people are looking for yeah absolutely all right level remakes shout out chase mcclane

we've got michael cornelius hi fine how do you do ulysses martinez is here with a very

enthusiastic hey y'all uh kristin chirwa message retracted uh

oh and ulysses martinez says love the haircut is it me or is it okay did you get some hairs cut there okay

no what and uh that phantom voice that you hear that's um that's louis wallace trying

his best to join us from uh san pellegrino italy where he's been bathing in uh sparkling

water after which they bottle it up and sell it to us unsuspecting americans

if it tastes five hours five hour pass you go in

there for five hours yeah and it's like it's like a uh like an amusement park

for sparkling bubbly water oh it's like you've got all these different ways you can sit in there in the spa

oh a san pellegrino spa really yeah is it all sparkling too so you like you sit in there and the bubbles are

just effervescing your kibbles and bits all kinds of bubbles especially when you

get in right [Music] especially when lewis gets in the uh the

jacuzzi it's bubble central what's going on in there

too many bubbles from that guy oh i'm sorry probably paula dickman is here

zack hicks is here uh pride deep gopala's here

any guesses on when the next big apple event is going to be well it's coming up i don't know if we could guess dates but

uh it's going to be soon and uh i'll tell you why it's going to be you know probably early to

mid-september i think for sure all right we got a lot of stuff to talk about this week we're gonna try and make it through

all the way with louis wallace he had to abandon his wi-fi and he's doing it with uh his cell phone which funny enough

actually is working kind of so if he turns into a cyborg midway through and disappears

that's why because he's he's a real trooper he's joining us live from italy let's go ahead

and queue up mrs you know who get her going and then we're gonna dive into this show because we gotta i don't

even know if we're gonna make it through all this stuff we got hardware to talk about we got the apple privacy stuff to talk about which is crazy

uh i might have a homepod update for you guys if um we have time to do it i mean it's just it's just it's a fully torqued

show as they say and if no one says that they should start saying that this show's fully torqued let's queue up mrs mr d

where is that delightful lewis wallace oh he's here you just can't see him i prefer it that way that's not very nice

most people do uh let me see mrs d if you're ready

i'm ready to go and we would love to commence the show here don't rush me young man okay well you know whenever you're ready

i've got my hand on the button and i'm ready for you okay let me clear my throat

jeez are you okay don't back talk me young man i'll put my size 13 right where the sun

don't shine okay now hold on mr d i need to get feisty here okay here we

go hello and welcome to the whole cast 30 plus been out of conversation you're gonna

hear all week long i'm your host aaron elijah joining me today he just couldn't stay away currently

gallivanting across italy and nothing but a gold neck chain and a speedo we demanded he put on a shirt for

today's production and thankfully he did although you can't really see him anyway he's the manager of cultivac lewis

wallace is here kind of yeah we see see i'm gonna say say something we can't see your faceless

just say something also with us renowned apple author and aspiring beer lichen

[Music] he's a matter of culture back oh yeah tahini is here

hey did you say anything what you got when i when i introduce you

you got to give some kind of like gusto like guys something to let people know that you're here

cheerio nothing

or you could do what are you wrestling some papers yeah

oh my gosh i'm behind wrestling papers who me like your big entrance was like uh

rustling of papers or something i don't know oh no it wasn't me all right kyle this show is already off

too absolutely horrendous welcome everyone let me go through the agenda here we got so much stuff to talk

about i honestly don't think we're gonna make it through all this stuff so we've got an update on the mini led macbook

pros they're they're coming and i know we've talked about this like every single week i know some of you are waiting to hear what's going on because

you're going to be making some buying decisions as am i and all i got to say is get that apple card started get it out

and just hold on to it because you're going to need it pretty soon also we pretty much have everything that you need to know about iphone 13. if you're

wondering what features it's going to have what it's going to look like we have the entire summation here so

spoiler if you don't want to know exactly what's going to happen then um you know well still listen but maybe

just mute that part but we definitely want you to keep listening please please don't leave uh also we have to talk about this crazy

scandal scandal might not be the right word debacle with privacy and apple

and there's a lot of crazy misinformation going around this week and some accurate stuff too about what

apple's plans are for scanning photos on your phone in icloud

how it's going to work in imessages this is something that's new that's coming to ios 15. you've probably heard about this at least because it kind of blew up

people were stunned that this was something that could potentially be happening and so

i thought we could just go through it and tell you what's actually happening as far as

what kind of scanning is going to be happening or is not going to be happening with your photos and the new imessage features

and then also just kind of clear the air about some of the misinformation lewis are you typing over there

susanna decided to rinse her hair is that what that is perfect absolutely perfect timing

sure sounds great to the airpods bro uh i okay

active noise cancellation that works the other way this is active noise introduction is

what that is yeah yeah that's great it's it sounds like

yeah it sounds like someone's having a water fight back there yeah it's quite loud okay well and then

also if we have pellegrino yeah that's the problem is you can't you can't rinse quietly because it's san

pellegrino it's just sparkling and uh you know bubbles going everywhere there's no way to do it quietly and then

also we are going to potentially talk about uh a homepod reboot

homepod reboot we've talked a little bit about this in the past i don't know if we're gonna have time to make it through this before we dive in let me send it

over to well which one of you guys wants to do this we have a uh cult of mac store promotion here do you

want you guys want to talk about the culta mac store i'll do it yeah do it louis leslie

anderson yeah you know what i'm gonna put you i'm gonna put you front and center here so

we can see your glowing skype logo you're like that uh computer from the movie 2001 right now every time you

speak it's just like moving i like this thing here in the cult of mac store

so go ahead take it away and uh tell us about the quilted mac store we got some good stuff uh in the store

always got all kinds of sales right now we got a back school sale oh yeah uh one of the things that i i'm looking at i i

haven't actually seen this before in our store we have the limited 77 wooden engraved american flag iphone

case it looks awesome i'm looking for that one uh i see the wood one i don't see the uh

the american american flag man i mean we should have had this for the fourth of july sale but uh you know what what can

i say here we are uh it's good thing to take back to school i'm sure you can't hear the wife uh

drying her hair with the hairdryer next door but it's actually yeah that's much quieter than the rinsing was

yeah i could barely hear that thick horrific okay so uh yeah look at this

thing it's it's like a a wooden cover you know with the uh kind of

what is it flexible rubber around the outside edge but the back side is uh the wood it's like a

wood grain uh brown and white american flag i i've never seen this i want to get one right now on my phone

it's like laser etched or something yeah it's very cool yeah like a veneer it's nice nice

looking yeah very patriotic too so if you're into american flag paraphernalia and i am i

have a whole jumpsuit made out of american flag you know top we also have some a lot of stuff in here i haven't

seen the limited 77 watercolor hummingbird shock proof iphone case that's don't you

have this little different from the uh a little different from the uh american flag don't you have this same like

colorful watercolor image tattooed on your lower back i thought you did uh

no comment okay i thought i saw it there but that's okay yeah

uh all right well all kind of stuff in there though we got iphone cases we got watch straps

so uh i don't really do it back to school but hey you know click on the back school that's where you see all the uh sales we

got there you go so head on over to store.cultimac.com store.cultomac.com and then just click

on back to school deals and you'll see all the stuff here and we only put curated stuff that we like in the store

so it's not a bunch of cheap back alley shanghai garbage this is actually good stuff from from good manufacturers who

make stuff that we like and if you use code cass at checkout you'll save a whole 10 off your order which could be

your sales tax or it might actually save you ten percent if you don't have sales tax i mean there's so many ways that could go it

could be you know five percent off your sales tax it just depends on the rate like i'm not gonna do the calculation for you here on the fly start

cultimac.comstore.com let's dive into the first story here let

me take a look at my notes where are we going first oh that's right here it is here it is

mini led macbook pros launching before the end of this september leander this is what i've been saving my uh my

money for take it away yeah right that's only six weeks away so they um the longer weighted redesign of

the 16 inch and the 14 inch macbook pro it's probably nearing its end a reliable

source for apple info says these maxwell debut will be out in september at the latest

at the latest and they will have mini led screens so this is coming from ming chi kuo from tf international securities the one and

only reliable analyst uh he said no to investors sent on tuesday and seen by culture mac

that the new models will be out in the third quarter of 2021 that quarter of

course ends in september oh i see there was a little uh uh reporters did a little bit of um math

there now yeah math uh

mac yeah this isn't surprising as the macos laptops are probably already in production

and we have a story on that still cause note means that the devices probably won't be in limbo until october that's good news

so one of the main reasons people are gonna get the 2021 macbook pro lineup is the mini led displays which should give

them uh greater contrast ratios between uh brighter areas of the screen and darker ones

um they could also bring back the sd card reader and the hdmi port and they'll have faster apple processors

with the m1x or m2 okay so a quick note about m1x versus

m2 we've talked a lot about this in the past is it going to be the more powerful version of the m1 or is it going to just

be the m2 and i had an epiphany today there's no way yeah just get ready for it there's no

way that they're gonna put an m2 in the macbook pro and here's why

if they put an m2 in the macbook pro well then when the when the less powerful consumer-grade

machines come out the macbook air the 13-inch macbook pro what have you they're going to end up putting what the

m3 in though so now you have a situation where the consumer-grade machines are way more powerful than the pro machines

no that's not going to happen they're going to put in an m1x whatever they end up calling it probably the m1x it's

going to be the powerful version of the m1 and then when they release the m2 the m2 may be more powerful in certain

aspects right but i still i still don't think it's going to outperform the m1x that way the pro machines always have an

edge over the consumer grade machine so it's not going to have a pro sumo chip the the m you know number series it's

going to be the m number x series or whatever they end up calling it because they have to make sure that the pro machines

from it from a um a brand perspective maintain a um that that that sentiment of being

more powerful than the regular consumer grade machines and and so it's gonna have to be an m1x that's that's my prediction what do you

think about that lewis well i mean naming of the chips i don't

know

and i i know people like what i say i don't know but i mean i literally don't know what they're gonna call them i mean

uh you know what's weird is that we're in this place of like the these

first generation chips are so much better than everything else we've ever used right i mean i'm using this macbook

air it seems awesome and the battery the battery lasts forever forever it's so much better than the uh

the macbook pro that i had from a few years ago a few years ago it's like

it's shocking so who knows what they're going to call these things and i i don't know i mean splitting

you're so you're saying m1x is going to be more powerful than m2 that's what you're saying airpod i don't know in

certain regards in certain regards yes i i think that the previous version x version of the chip will always be more

powerful than the next version of the number series so so like the m1x will always be

slightly more powerful than the m2 the m2x will always be slightly more powerful than the m3 because they have

to make sure that the pro level machines maintain an edge over their prosumer machines and

they're delineated right there's the pro series and then there's going to be the consumer series yeah well they're doubling up the cost so it's going to be

you know um it's going to be quite a lot faster isn't it um even probably like you know what

everyone's saying is that they're going to come out you know they've got the m1 now super powerful eight cores or whatever it is the m1x is going to have

like 16 cores or 20 cores or whatever um and then when the m2 comes out for

the for the consumer level machines the following year it's going to have less cores it's going to have as many callers

so um even but it might even slightly might be faster it's still probably going to lag the previous generation x chip right

yeah yeah and it's also not going to support as many thunderbolt ports it's also not going to support as much ram like they're they're going to nerf it in

some way because well what they don't want you thinking is oh the all this all the machines are

exactly the same we use the same chip in in all of them just pick your form factor which is kind

of the strategy they're going with now in the m series computers the mac mini is the same as the ipad is the same as

the macbook pro they're all the same performance pretty much they just have different form factors and i don't think that they want

you to think that for their for their pro machines that they have performance that's on par

with the m you know one or the m2 or the m3 or like the prosumer series they have to make sure that they delineate and and

keep people thinking that there's going to be a significant important performance uh you know uh benefit to spending the extra money

on the pro machines now level remix i think was saying all i need to know is how much

and all i gotta say is if you gotta ask you can't afford it geez that's not a question that's real

we never asked that question we don't wanna know we just wanna buy it they're gonna be they're going to be the same as the current generation aren't they

i can always do so i think so i think so especially because they're going to be getting rid of the touch bar so there you go there's your um

your macbook pro update it's coming in the next probably four weeks which means

that the keynote event is going to be happening probably in the next four weeks they'll announce it and then you'll be able to

buy it the question that level remix brings up is is mine also how much are these things gonna cost and i almost

don't wanna know uh let's see here okay let's talk about uh let's talk about iphone 13.

we had a story out from from mark german aka the gurmee

and talked about iphone 13 and this is pretty much everything that you need to know if you're wondering what is going

to be included in iphone 13 well this is it we're so close now and he has such great sources i'm pretty sure this is

exactly what you can expect so so here we go i'm going to just dive into the story here iphone 13 could bring

promotion display camera upgrades smaller notch now some of this is actually interesting and not something that we've discussed a lot

on here on the show this year's iphone refresh could be a lot more exciting than the incremental upgrades we've seen

in previous years a new report claims apple's next generation smartphone lineup which could be called iphone 13.

i don't know what else they'd call it but yeah that's a good guess we'll bring faster promotion displays pro camera

update upgrades and a smaller notch some of the things some of these things that we've talked about before uh in addition to faster promotion

displays like those available in the ipad pro ipad pro which can reach refresh rates of up to 120 hertz this

year's iphone models will bring pro res and portrait mode for videos and design tweaks says german

a new quote a new pro res video feature will let iphone users capture clips in a

higher quality format that gives editors more control during pro post production now that's interesting

i'm really curious to see how good is the quality coming out of an iphone and prores prores is a really popular format

for people who record and edit videos i record all my stuff in prores because it's so high quality and it lets you

like color grade it much easier but from a phone like how how good could it be from a phone on that tiny little

sensor i'm really curious to see what's it available on right now like um dslrs no oh no prores i mean you have to

basically get a dslr so prores is an apple proprietary format so i think they have to license it from apple so a lot

of companies just don't do that uh so what you have to usually do and what a lot of people do do

is they will get like a dslr and then they'll attach a recorder to it and

then the recorder you connect via hdmi and the recorder basically records everything that's happening in the camera via prores and that's usually how

people do if you want a camera that actually records perez you can buy those but but most of them are not

are not inexpensive or they really don't have very many features like the black magic cameras

they have really beautiful image quality but they're missing a lot of features like they don't have autofocus or the autofocus is terrible i don't i don't

know if any camera that has really great autofocus also records in prores unless you want to spend like sixty thousand

dollars so well there you go the iphone 13 then you don't need to buy a movie grade

movie camera just get the iphone 13. there you go that's all you need that's what that's hollywood's new camera of

choice so let me see here where was i uh back to uh browser mode portrait mode

debuted with uh iphone 7 plus in 2016 has become a key feature in subsequent iphone models it

has only been available when shooting still photos but it seems like apple is going to be

extending portrait mode to to video recording and facetime calls as

well which that would be pretty cool you can i mean one of the biggest drawbacks of those really tiny sensors

is is the depth of field is pretty much unlimited so when you're looking at something close everything behind it

still is in focus where where in dslrs when you focus on something close everything behind it is blurred which is

an effect that a lot of people like especially when they're doing like facetime and stuff so you should be able to do that in facetime as well as videos

now i thought that that feature didn't work unless the like unless the uh the phone had

lidar and i heard only the pro iphone 13s were going to have lidar so maybe all of them will have lidar i

can't really re remember where we are no rumor i thought lighter was coming through all the handsets yeah we did talk about that at some point and i

think that was i think that was ming chi quo but i can't remember it would make sense wouldn't it because

they're going to need it for ar and yeah and including the pro models they might as well trickle down

you would think that a certain i mean at a certain point they will have lidar and everything i just don't know if it's going to be this generation or not i

would imagine well we've heard it both ways i'm really not sure i'm not really not sure what to

think about that but but that would actually be a useful feature it's something that it's practical i would

actually use um like the uh the ability to to blur

the background when a person's in the foreground on a video that's a feature that i would i would actually use all right right here let's see here as far

as design tweaks go uh german says the notch above iphone's display

will be getting smaller it hasn't uh it hasn't changed in size since iphone 10

which is 2017 but the display sizes of the phones are actually expected to

remain the same which is interesting because he says

they will retain the same 5.4 6.1 and 6.1 and 6.7 inch screens which means

that the iphone mini is not going anywhere so that's interesting because we heard that was

going to be uh scrapped cool i love the iphone mini it's my favorite phone a lot of people love the iphone mini unfortunately there's just not enough of

you the people that that have it love it but there's only like 15 of you so

well tim's not getting the rumors i'm sorry no what was that

that's been the rumor that it's not going away this year but next year oh oh is that i i i actually recall but

um you know what's interesting is um i think one of the reasons they need to add the blurred background in is because

for video and for facetime and stuff is because a lot of people are doing uh uh you know like video calls these days

fans and only fans which i know alexey heath's only fans do it's blowing up

and his he's been practicing his dance moves it's gotten so much better and it's a really polished production now anyway he's like a smoke machine that i

think his wife holds in the background you know it's really high production value but um

people don't want to have their backgrounds in the video now so like if you use like

microsoft teams or zoom they allow you to have like virtual backgrounds which when they first introduced that feature

i thought it was so weird because if you move fast you can kind of see like the processor try to keep up with you

there's like a like a little block that's that's visible you know right next to your head and you can like see

like all the trash that's piling up in in your in the room that you're recording in louis and uh but

these features are really important because crash it's it's stuff room accessories

it's precious possessions it looks like actual trash bags but maybe you just keep your possessions in those trash

bags that's what keeps his most prized possessions yeah well just keep them dry so that's nice

but uh you know with people doing so many video calls you need to be able to blur your background everybody does it

now no one wants to show cause who's gonna clean up their background right like people's rooms are cluttered and so

they need to be able to uh to blur their background so so there it is iphone 13.

honestly people were saying it's exciting i think it's going to be kind of sleepy i just

don't think it's going to be nearly as exciting as iphone 12 was but we'll see what happens i mean i'm going to get one regardless

i have an iphone 11 pro so i'm excited to get something new i think iphone 14 is going to be the one

that has like the really big big bang uh g whiz fancy features this seems like

more of an iterative update but we'll see what actually happens well they always you know the point the point

is they always get it right on the second year you know when they do a big design change like the s uh

when they you know whenever they do something new and different like with these you know these uh this new design language they got it's always a second

version where they really nail it where they really get it right so i mean these will be great even though

that that you know that they're smaller iterative changes this is where they really nail it in you know this this

will be a great phone by virtue of the fact because it's building on a great platform yeah and you might be right i guess the

part that's a little bit disappointing to me and we'll have to wait to see what actually happens but it just doesn't seem like very much it's

like promotion i'm like we've been talking about promotion for so long and for that to finally make its debut

it's like okay that's cool i mean promotion's cool but i don't really find it to be that

exciting i mean i saw a few videos where people were like it's going to be life-changing i don't think so it's not going to be like no it's very nice yeah

it's gonna be a nice update but i have promotion on my ipad do i even notice

not usually yeah it's like whatever so i just don't think it's that's gonna be as much of a jump out feature as some

people are saying it's gonna be and

yeah i do notice it but not nearly as often as i used to i'll be happy when it's gone but uh

it doesn't bother me that much and if this shouldn't get like by half i mean that's cool but i don't know is it is that a really big

marquee selling point feature not really not really

but uh we'll see maybe there's something else that is uh is floating around out there that we haven't heard about and uh

will cause us all scrambling to uh throw out our money at apple which has happened before okay let's let's move on let's

talk about some of this uh privacy stuff that happened this week and if you don't know

let me just give you a high level really quick summary about why people were talking about

apple and privacy this week so it was discovered i think by the

financial times let me see here let me scroll down there was a report out yeah it was by

the the financial times that apple i'm just reading the headline here apple plans to scan iphones and icloud for

child abuse imagery and so i'm going to just paraphrase this

to summarize it as best i can basically what the story was was

apple is scanning icloud photos for images that match a database of of of

known child abuse images and then furthermore and this is the part that really i think caused a lot of

the outrage is apple according to the story was also going to be scanning your phone so regardless of whether or not you

uploaded your photos to icloud apple was actually going to be scanning your phone according to the report not quite and

looking for child abuse images images now i think that was the story and then there was this guy who let me

see here what's his name uh john hopkins university professor cryptographer matthew green

who went on somewhat of a of a twitter parade about this and he said that

according to people that he knew that apple was going to be scanning images on your phone that you didn't

even upload to icloud and looking for abusive pictures

so what were you going to say leander is there i think it makes it a bit more complicated

because apple actually came out at the time to the story they they'd apple had been briefing journalists and

security researchers last week in anticipation of putting out this announcement and the financial

times got wind of it so they did a story saying apples plan to do this but then apple came out and officially confirmed

it you know and they now have an faq up and they've been answering questions and you know they're going to be what

they're going to be doing is that they're scanning your device for child abuse images for anything

that's shared in icloud and it'll only scan it if you've got icloud

sharing turned on but the controversial part is is that they're introducing this scanning

feature that you know without anybody um asking for this you know and there's no way to turn it off so it's going to

happen as long as you if you share photos on icloud um it's gonna it's gonna scan your phone

for child abuse images and then there are a couple other components too as well you know where they they're looking for

um ni messages if the kid is between 13 and 16 um and they're on their parents account

the family sharing counts uh if they receive anything that looks like

uh sexual sexually explicit imagery um their parents will get a notification

um through icloud of the the you know that this is that their kids are looking at something potentially damaging

or if they send it to um and yeah you know it's caused that big uh big big controversy and it's the

first time um that apple's been doing this the first time a couple has actually pushed this down to the device level so

apparently this is routine in facebook you know facebook scans um all the images that get uploaded to

facebook and they found something like 20 million um images

and i can't know what the time frame was i think that was in longer than a year i think that was like over a period of three or four years but yeah it was a

lot um google found several hundred thousand apple found a few hundred because they're not doing it

they're not scanning um but it looks like there's legislation in the uk and in the eu that's going to compel

companies to look for this kind of imagery and apple of course wants to introduce end-to-end encryption in

icloud photo backups which it doesn't do right now at the best of the fbi um but this might be a step towards

allowing them to do that because of course they won't be able to scan for this kind of imagery if it's

end-to-end encrypted they can't scan it on the server but they can scan it on the device at the device level so

you know there's some speculation this is why they're doing this they're trying to head off this legislation they're trying to get ahead of their own encryption plans and they're trying to

like you know find a solution for lawmakers to say look we're doing this at the device level but of course it you

know it introduces um a spy tool that no one's asked for and you know and personally it makes me

um you know really uncomfortable with this like it's i think it's a slippery slope that i don't want to see apple get down you know this i think is an

invasion of my privacy um and apple especially with this marketing you know saying that

i mean look all over town oh everywhere you go here in san francisco there's got these giant billboards up with people holding their phone over their faces and

saying privacy that's iphone and i think a tool like this surveillance tool no matter what the you know the the reason

i know it's it's um it's well intentioned and you know i mean i find child abuse imagery

absolutely abhorrent but i don't like the idea of my phone spying on me

in the background without you know me having anything being able to do anything about it it makes me uncomfortable

yeah i think it makes a lot of people uncomfortable and then apple had this to say let us be clear quote let us be

clear this technology is limited to detecting csam uh stored in icloud and we will not

accede to any government request to expand it it's like yeah

you know look at that you know like that that's one of the reasons you're putting this in place

it seems is is to head off the the upcoming requests by governments

that you do this and so what other things could they ask you to do that you would then do

you seem like you're already a seating and so and then you have this feature that's floating out there you're you're

creating a mechanism for this kind of spying to happen on the phone what would prevent someone from abusing this now

that you've created it so i mean i'm with you i i know many of us are probably in the exact same boat you

know the the the i i think that child abuse especially

of a sexual nature is one of the most evil things that can be that that one of the most evil acts that

can happen you know and it really is disgusting to me and i would i would be supportive of any initiative

to to to lessen it remove it arrest people and you know make sure

that those people are punished for participating in it but also with your phone to start scanning

everything on your phone that you are paying apple to keep private and they're supposed to be

the champions of privacy i think this is a huge black eye for them and i think it's eroded a lot of that

that brand trust that we've put in apple that they've spent so much time championing and building and now all of

a sudden they're coming out of nowhere and saying oh hey we're gonna start scanning your photos and if we determine that there's

something potentially wrong with them we're going to send them to a team of people and those people are going to look at your photos of your kids

i just think that's a bad look that's probably not going to do that i mean it looks like they literally say that if they scan your photos well no

not not photos of your kids they're looking for this you know they're looking for they're looking to confirm that this is one of those images that's

already in the database but what they're not looking for they're not looking for new original photos they're not looking for kids you know pictures of your kids

in the bathtub or you know playing on the slip and slide they're looking for um images that have

already been that are already in this database you know run by the national society for the whatever it is center

for missing exploited children so they're looking for known exploitative imagery you know what i mean yeah yeah

so it's gonna get from my perspective though i'm like how accurate is this algorithm that's looking for those things maybe it is well they said it's

100 trillion or something oh really okay so they said the the the the you know

the rate is supposed to be this is kind of apple an apple analysis it hasn't been independent of verified but i think you know they said the chance of a of a

false positive you know in the one in a trillion kind of range plus they're looking for somebody with a significant

cash they're not looking if someone's got one image i don't think it'll it won't trigger they're looking for people who've got multiple images and i don't

think they've specified how many but it's like if they find someone who's apparently got multiple of these images

that have already been flagged and classified by by the uh that the center for missing explained children

then they'll get their team of you know humans to actually look at images to confirm that they are you know sexual

abuse images so i guess that's that's a little better than i think my first

my first initial understanding of what was happening i guess misunderstanding of what was happening i thought they were just looking for you know pictures of naked

kids and that's not what they're doing they're looking for pictures that match a database of pictures those pictures

are hashed and then they're looking for pictures you know in your icloud photo library that match that have matching hashes so

they're looking for specific images that they know are out there they're not they're not just looking for pictures of

you know nude kids because like i got four kids they're nude a lot you know like yeah

they do all the time like some of them are in pictures you know like they're right i have videos of naked kids running around

and it's like uh i don't want some stranger looking through those because well they're my kids you know and

that would be super creepy so you know honestly it's not as bad as i originally had heard

but but it is bad because it's the principle it's the idea i mean your computer we've had computers for 30 years 40 years now right

and you know no one ever i think has has ever created a tool to do this kind of thing you know like my computer although

there are caveats and there's definitely like shades of gray because the phone you know is doing a lot of analysis on your pictures already yesterday i

searched for uh blanco right we have the sink by this canadian company called blanco and um uh i wanted to find the

specifications for some spare parts so i searched for it and then i see you there you know like in ios 15 i've got it's

looking it's classic it's found the word blanco in a bunch of in thousands tens of thousands of pictures i've taken so i

had a picture of a menu from italy when i went there like four years ago that had you know like some cake on it that

was called the blanco yeah i was amazed i mean like you know

it's it's looking at it it's classifying the text in my pictures and of course it does this for uh face

recognition and also for objects you know you can search for car or cats or any other keyword in your photos library

so there's a tall bun bunch of processing that's going on in the background already you know that it's doing and of course you know there's no

problem but i don't know philosophically the idea that you know they're building this mass surveillance system without

precedent too i mean this hasn't been they're not illegally obliged to do this you know there hasn't been any kind of law asking apple to do this they're

jumping the gun and i think it's clever i mean like they seem to it's it looks like it's a super clever system but it's

like kind of i feel too clever by half you know like it's like they're trying to have their cake and eat it they want to offer the center and encryption with

backups which i think is laudable also should be done but you know there's a lot of pressure from law enforcement and

from um organizations like the you know the children protection organizations to be able to do this

so it seems as though they've come up with this solution which unfortunately is forcing something that i find unpalatable down you know my throat

which is that my machine is not going to spy on me this is there's a you know there's spyware built into the os

yeah that's that's the primary part about it that i don't like although it it does seem like i'm

not defending apple like if i had if if i could choose whether apple did this or not i would say turn it off this is

completely inappropriate you shouldn't be scanning people's devices that's that's it's it's their stuff there's no reason

you should be looking through it and i don't think that it's appropriate for them to be doing that

yeah i i feel like i'm kind of absolutely about that even though it's actually you know child palmer you know yeah

find a barn yeah i i do think it's absolutely you should your phone should be private it should be private that's

it you know no matter what it's got on it but i think you could make the argument that it is private because i mean

according to apple all you have to do to disable this feature is turn off icloud photos so

it's only things that you're uploading to apple's servers that are getting scanned according to apple and if you

don't want to do that then you can just simply turn it off so that's that's i mean does that seem like you know i mean

every kitty pervert is gonna is gonna know this aren't they i mean i mean who use icloud photos

anyway to disseminate child porn it seems like a weird well who uses facebook

i mean who uses facebook right who who uses google images how stupid could you be

don't think that you know facebook but even still but even still like how stupid do you

have to be they're like well i'm in a private group i'm i'm gonna upload this kid board it's like dude it's facebook

it might be private to other facebook users but it's not private to facebook like how could you not no but you know i

know maybe people just don't know how it works yeah yeah i guess i don't i guess i don't

um so yeah it's i i'd say something that was a bit easily circumvented and it

does seem like you could um and i think that the rumor that apple was gonna be looking for images on your own phone

that was the part that i think caused the most outrage and i don't think that's accurate according to apple it's not you all it is is your photos

uploaded to icloud photos if you want to turn it off uh they literally say if you have icloud

photos disabled the feature does not work so you know you can turn it off if you want get your privacy back

i saw someone making the argument saying that you know what what privacy is is violated because it's looking for

you know it's scanning your phone which it does routinely anyway looking for faces and objects and all this other stuff all this other kind of processing

and it creates some hashes which are then sent to apple and then if those hatches match

um you know then then there's you know some

action is taken but in in most people's you know for most people this thing will be working in the background and it

won't share anything it's not sending any photographs up to you know offer your device it's not offering up any information except these these these

hashes so what privacy is violated by doing this and i think you know i mean that's an interesting idea

i think they're kind of right i don't i don't i don't i don't think they have a right to search period it

doesn't matter if it doesn't violate your privacy they're still making a search that

is invasive of your privacy right and i mean that'd be like saying i'm gonna sell you a um a security

camera for your house and the security camera is gonna be taking videos and it's gonna create a hash out of the

videos that are being recorded and we're going to match those to known crime videos so we can detect if a crime is

taking place in your property like wait a second that's not what i'm paying you to do like you shouldn't be hashing anything to take those hashes out of

here i don't want those hashes i don't want you scanning things and calculating all i want you to do is store the video

in a private server encrypted so that i can view it you should not be doing anything with it

only i should be doing stuff only i should know what's in this video and you have no right to scan it and i think

that is kind of where most people who are outrageous how do you feel lewis how do you feel on this issue

well i mean the whole thing sounds weird i mean does it strike you as odd it's like oh well there's this like you know there's

200 000 images in this database it's like oh well you know these are the definitive

child porn images i mean what the hell to me the whole thing is bizarre and

i i mean if if if siri could recognize what i say when

i asked to see a show on apple tv i would be a little bit more uh

you know you know lackadaisical about oh well you know i'm sure nothing will go wrong but

i mean what if you take a picture of a pig at a county fair well that looks like a naked baby

who knows how many treasures hello ty you know i mean it's um

i don't know the whole thing is weird i i see my baby looks like a pig

how dare you i mean who knows i mean how dare you i mean the thing is like like nobody

nobody at all whatever this is the problem nobody says oh yeah great you know we love the uh

we love the the the child porn you know it's like it's it's a horrible thing right

so but you know what what's next right i mean one of the things that i've read about

it is like oh okay well so they they set this up for this and then uh you know china says to them hey uh well we don't

really want any pictures of anybody you know uh standing up to the regime right and so

they have the capability to do this so okay what's next i mean you know

slippery slippery slope is a cliche but you know it seems kind of slippery

yeah it does seem kind of slippery i think i think china is exactly the right you know the right uh regime it's gonna

be apple's biggest market in a year or two yeah that's that's a lot of that's a lot

of money to be leaving on the table especially you know and you can certainly see the chinese regime saying they don't want people to be sharing you

know anti-communist party you know memes yeah no no pictures of tank man

right exactly yeah i mean that's gone isn't it for the chinese internet i mean yeah

i mean worse than that worse than you know you can't have a picture of tank man uh or share it but you know

uh oh if you have that then you're an enemy of the state yeah and you're gonna be under the

[Laughter] let's talk about this other feature because this other feature got a lot of

scrutiny but the more i read about it the more i was like i kind of actually think this is a really good feature in fact i don't think this feature goes far

enough uh it's an opt-in feature and that is iphone messages the uh the app will warn

parents if their kids send receipt or receive nude photos now this is something you have to opt into it's not

trending by default but it is a feature that you can churn on and if you have kids and your family you can turn this

on in on their phones and it will let me see here let me

scroll down here where are my notes here all right yeah so apple is going to be offering this tool

it only works in in messages unfortunately i kind of wish it worked across all messaging apps

but uh the process and this is kind of i think where some of the confusion has come in about these two stories which

are two totally different features the process will use on on device machine learning so that it does not have to

actually access the uh the images if a child receives a nude photo in the messages application on a phone or an

ipad the image will be blurred out if the child tries to view it they will receive an alert that asks are you sure

and the warning is phrased that a child can understand it it says in part sensitive photos and videos show the

private body parts that you cover with bathing suits if the child views the image the parents will receive notification i

think this is great and the the part about this i didn't like is it's only kids 12 and under

that that's exactly what i was going to say that will send a notification to the parents 13 year old no problem 13 to 17

if they view it it just lets it go it's like wait what like it should be you know kids you know

kids anyone under 18 like if they view something their parents should get a notification parents should know

if their kids are getting nudies in their messages app that's totally inappropriate they didn't want to they didn't want to burn out the servers with

the uh 16 year old the 16 to 18 year old yeah the server would have to have to open like 18 new co-locations across the

country to process those yeah i mean but 13 14 15. i mean that that's crazy yeah

will you be sending this on with the arcades then well i won't even get my kids up a phone until they're like 15. and then yeah

hell yeah i would absolutely turn this on i mean can you imagine i i can't even imagine cell phones were a thing you

know back in my day but how ubiquitous they are now and how easy it is to share media

and kids are kids man they do dumb things all the time this is this is saving kids from themselves

and to be able to tell that this kind of thing is going on i i think is really important for parents it gives them a

really important tool for knowing what their kids are doing on their phones i was always like tim cook with my kids

on their devices like you know they they got phones when they were you know i can't remember how old they were when

they when they first started getting phones you know getting me hand-me-downs and but i never policed anything they did on the computer

my wife neither you know we never police anything we never like set up blockers or you know try to look at she she spies on

them she's actually pretty actually she's terrible she's she looks across the house she's over there with her binoculars look at it

well she's always going through that box and saying what they're looking at but i never did i don't think that's good at least she's doing that

yeah true enough i guess i don't know i was always just felt like i don't know you know

i think kids should live it's like on the playground and you see some parents you know like just let their kids you know plan some parents i run it you know

chasing their kids around the playground and being and being super careful you know to make sure they don't hurt themselves they don't they don't get

into any trouble and and and it seems to me they're holding that kid back you know that kid is like because

because their parents are so afraid the kid is afraid the kid doesn't become athletic it doesn't become you know

comfortable on the playground with the swings and the slides and whatever and it's actually detrimental even though it's well intentioned they're trying to

protect that child the child isn't learning what it needs to learn and so and i think the same is true with the technology you know like with my

daughter she's extremely sophisticated about online now you know she i mean she's in her mid-20s now but she was

always like this she was always super smart about what to put online and what not to put online she knew better than me you know especially with all these

emerging um apps and platforms you know like what what what goes well how to protect herself not to put up too much

personal information not to put up any information that might be found in the future that might get into trouble at school i thought she was extremely

sophisticated i couldn't teach her that she she talked to herself and i think by letting her loose and giving her the

freedom to do that you know was actually beneficial to her but i i think not all kids are like that

your daughter sounds like she's very responsible with with media but there's a lot of kids that do stupid stuff

online they're knuckleheads yeah and they get themselves into a lot of trouble and they make decisions that affect them

for the rest of their lives and i think it's good for parents to have a way to

monitor what their kids especially their young kids are seeing and to make sure that no one is trying to get a nudie

from them or something there's no pubs out there trying to like fish them for information or something because actually i heard wait a minute

what's up what do you mean uh fun earphones ask you for what wait wait

i mean you know that's a good point too and there are stories out there that i've heard like with um

with uh god what do they call them um there's groups of people that will take advantage of kids and what they'll do is

they'll try to get them to send like a nude or like a video or something right and then they'll send it and then they trap them

they say oh well i'm going to show this to your parents i'm going to send this to your teachers unless you send me more right so

it can lead into a scenario where the kid has to spiral into this into this world of being

sexualized because they got trapped right like someone outsmarted them so i i think this is kgb and that's what

they used to do and they're back in this you know the cold war this is classic classic spycraft yeah blackmailing

people i mean it's uncompromising exactly and then you leverage it right against that person i mean i can't tell

you how many favors i've gotten from lewis from saying hey dude if you don't do this for

me i'm going to show everyone these vacation videos that you sent me of you dancing on the beach you know in the beer lichen mode and you're nothing but

your speedo do you want the internet to see this right you know it's helped me a lot it might be the worst

how do you which don't you think this would actually um

make it easier for parents to allow their kids their younger kids to

have phones i mean i if i had a kid i don't know that i would give them or give them or let them

have a phone you know until they were 20 at least right yeah 25 yeah but i

mean so i mean one of the things that i you read about this stuff it's like

you hear about these like six and seven and eight year old kids getting involved in this kind of crap and it's just

it's kind of horrifying yeah so i think this this sounds completely defensible and uh and i think it actually you know

it's probably even you know smart for apple because if the phone can be

more locked down and less um sort of you know available to be

you know used by scumbags to uh you know pervert kids i

mean it seems like it would be good so yeah who knows i mean like i said i don't think this goes far enough i i would

like to see this i would like to see notifications sent not just for people who are 12 and under

but up to 17 it's up to the parent that that that parent is responsible for that kid until they're 18. if they get into

trouble something happens and they crash a car guess who has to pay for it papa does papa e's got to pay for all that so

if i got to pay for everything and i got to be legally responsible for them then i should have the tools to do that on

their phone and uh not not only that but i think that this feature needs to be needs to be rolled out

phone wide because it it it really isn't useful if this only applies to the

messages app right people are smart oh they just won't use the messages the messages app they're going to use signal

they're going to use you know telegram they're going to use all these other apps and they'll just not use messages so

this should be rolled out across the entire phone so if your kid receives a file you know of a nude or something um you

should be notified of that you know period i think that would be a really super useful feature

for uh for parents anyway that's the controversy that's what uh that's what happened that this week that's what everyone was um

reacting to and chatting about i know there's lots of strong emotions with these topics and i've had some of them

myself so i totally get it it's interesting to talk about this stuff let's wrap up with one quick story about

home pods and boy this just this just really

lets you helps you understand why the homepod was like suddenly abandoned and

now there's the homepod mini but there's no real home pod apple tv the new hardware hasn't really changed

very much and it kind of seems like apple doesn't really know where they're going with it well if you saw this story you

understand it's because apple doesn't really know where they're going with it they don't know what's going on at least according to this

story so this is the saddest thing i've seen in weeks you you so geez i mean i

mean i was bummed about this but um apple tv engineers say there isn't much

optimism over the company's weak living room hardware strategy but

uh there are plans to change it with new devices according to a new report from i think this was uh i think this was

gurmee marcus gurmey marcus gurmee cupertino is still planning a combined apple tv

homepod and facetime camera the trio the trifecta but it's not expected to appear until

quote around 2023 despite being one of the most impressive set set-top boxes in terms of

performance and software apple tv has always struggled to compete against the more affordable offerings from amazon

google and roku now this is the interesting part part of the problem is that

the apple tv has high end hardware because they want you to be able to play games on it

which results in a huffed and a hefty price tag but the game library lacks any compelling titles so no one's actually

gaming on it so it's this really weird scenario where apple has to charge a bunch of money for the apple tv which is

why people don't buy it but the people that do buy it aren't even using the hardware because they're not playing any games

so i think i think uh marcus germany was talking about this in his um power on

newsletter and he said quote if apple wants to be truly effective it could just cut the price of its box make it a

cheap stick version uh with 4k or add features that actually make it worthwhile i totally agree with mark on

this i think that apple should create like a stick version like like a 75 or 50 stick version of the apple tv that

gives you the interface and doesn't have all the gaming garbage in there because i i really could care less about that stuff but i

love the apple tv interface and you know mark was saying

that um the apple tv kind of seems pointless i don't think that's true it might be true

for some people but one of the things that i use it for is for viewing my apple uh photo library my

freshly scanned apple uh photo library

i just about that comment i just found my library has been scanned and it is 100 uh is 100 pure

so although there are pictures of naked kids in there but they just happen to be my own um and so we we have like the uh the

picture screensaver which is one of my favorite features on the apple tv and then we can watch all the videos like

we'll take videos of the kids i i'm known for my lord of the rings-esque family videos people love them they're

like 20 30 minutes long they just keep going and going and going i don't stop until my phone gets hot and shuts off

and that that's literally true so we'll be on like a vacation i took like a 30 minute video and everyone's like oh why did you make the video so

long i'm like you know what i have i probably have a stack of photos maybe

a four a fourth of an inch thick of my entire uh young adult life and childhood

my kids are going to have the whole thing documented in 4k all their vacations their birthday parties they're going to have it all

they're going to be thanking me for those 30 minute videos when they get older i don't even know what i looked like

when i was a young kid all i know is i was more attractive than most of the people that we were friends with and were

family with i mean that's the only thing like my parents have told me but other than that i don't have any videos on how many pictures or anything

so i would love to have all that content so i i do use it for viewing my photo content on the tv screen which i think

is one of the best uses for it but other than that i would love for it to um to be cheaper

and hold on yeah so this all sounds really confused so he's actually proposing

while he's reporting on the while he's going to be burning the fact that they don't have a cheap one he's saying that they're going to try and squish together

now you know not just one expensive device but three expensive devices the tv the homepod and

the facetime camera so now you've got something that's even more expensive yeah but he's with the robot it will be

more expensive with a robot arm that follows you and in fact i think that was one of the proposed features but the features will be worth it so it

will finally justify the price i think apple's thinking we can't lower the price because we need the high-end hardware so how do we add more features

that will make this thing more useful i don't know having a camera that follows you around

i mean that seems kind of like zany to me i know amazon has products that do something similar

there's the facebook portal which i think does some of that kind of stuff but they're kind of they're kind of weird isn't it kind of weird and wacky

products like i don't see that kind of thing being ubiquitous i think most people just want to have a streaming set top box but um i

could be wrong it would be cool though to have something that like the apple tv mini right apple tv mini there it is

that's the title apple tv mini and apple tv mini 4k it's like a 40 streaming stick and then like a 60

streaming stick or something and 1s4k1 does it they both have the great apple

content experience but they don't support games and and maybe they don't even come with a remote you just you use the remote app

on your phone could they cut the the games out of the the app that the app store

for the for that particular device because i think one of the problems if you have a cheap 25 stick and it's and it's still got the same apple tv

interface you go to the app store and you go oh i want to download this game you download it and of course it doesn't

run because the hardware is too they limited just they could just set

the store to not show you games on that device so you see all the other content but you don't see a computer

i would love to know how many people actually play a game on apple tv i mean um

i've never run it into anyone maybe i did once when it first launched how was it was it

great no it's horrible were you using the apple tv remote to actually like yeah the story remote yeah

it's it's terrible god of course you can use your xbox remote your playstation remote so they've added a lot of

controller support yeah louis sorry go ahead it just seems like the whole uh separate box is just becoming a moot

point i mean every tv you buy now it costs like 200 dollars for a giant screen and it

already has an apple tv app so yeah i don't know it seems uh i i mean i i understand like oh it'd be

great you know you could do games well you know i i i again i've never met anybody who plays one i mean you know i

don't i don't hang with the young cool crowd but uh maybe uh maybe it's not that important maybe

maybe we'll just want to stream the stuff that they want to see it kind of seems like the entire

go ahead maybe it's just going to be built into the tv i don't know it it seems

the whole thing just seems kind of like a mess right and and this this idea of oh uh

an ipad and a home pod and an apple tv all in one thing you know like

it just sounds like a frankenstein device it seems crazy yeah and

i would argue the entire app store model for the apple tv is kind of a failure and and kind of broken

the only apps that people really seem to find useful are the apps that are ubiquitous across all platforms

like the hbo the app well i guess the apple tv plus now

the netflix the youtubes those are the only apps that you actually ever end up downloading all the other apps like

they're all just garbage there's nothing there that really even an apple tv plus app

well what you mean on this into the tv app you mean on third-party televisions or

in the actual app yeah well actually good point i don't actually know but

my understanding is that there's an apple uh apple tv app and

and that's what you would get on a a third party thing i mean i i use an apple tv

but uh i don't i don't think there's an actual apple tv plus app is there

well it's the apple tv this is the apple tv app yeah yeah and and so the tv plus

is a a tab right so yeah what is it i don't know sorry i i just i hear people

you know i i i all the times people are talking about apple tv because

i think it's confusing to people you know i mean we understand apple tv apple tv plus but i think that uh you know in

general the whole uh the whole approach is kind of confusing to to you know just people who

generally want to stream something that you know oh while they're watching or whether eating dinner right so i think

that's a problem across a lot of apple products i was um i was trying to get apple pay cash

working the other day i was trying to send someone some money and it just wouldn't work so i called my credit card company and

i'm like hey there's something wrong with my apple pay cash like my credit card keeps getting declined i don't know why

and so one guy talked to me like he knew what was going on and he's like you know what i'm gonna transfer you i was like oh okay so he transferred me to this

other lady fantastic and this other lady's talking to me about the problem and she's like so what are you trying to do and i'm like i'm trying to i'm trying

to make an apple apple pay cash payment to somebody and she's like you mean like at a store and

i'm like no no that's apple pay i'm like i'm trying to send money uh to another person she's like what do you

mean i'm like well it's like venmo it's like you can send someone and she's like oh i don't know you could do that i was like yeah it's because it's because

apple it's it's called apple pay cash it's their peer-to-peer payment platform and it's just

it's commonly conflated with apple pay which is something completely different it's like apple pays when you wave your

phone in front of a a payments uh console at a store and then you use your credit card or your debit card to pay for stuff totally different thing and

she had no idea what i was talking about and and i had to walk through the whole thing and i'm like you work for a major credit card company how do you not know

this you know even she didn't know what the hell i was talking i mean she had no clue and so eventually she was able to

fix the problem but um which had nothing to do with apple pay at all it was actually just because it

was like a fraud alert it kind of had declined and and i was like because you're so because i'm so over uh

overextended yeah your your social credit rating has been dropped yeah well they watch this show

it plummeted it's swiftly i can't go on flights anymore i can only shop at the outer edges of

the grocery store i can't go to the inside aisles so uh yeah but uh we we got it working it was

actually really funny because um she said oh well your car declined i'm like well well don't you guys normally send like a like

a fraud alert oh sorry she said it was fraud fraud alert so that's why it declined and i was like well don't you guys normally send a fraud alert when

something declines and she goes oh no we only do that with credit cards i was like wait what so it declined because of

fraud you weren't even gonna tell me it was fraud and she's like no we don't have that built into the debit side part of the business i'm like well that's

where it's the most important because if it's credit it's not my money but if it's debit right it's coming out of my

account like i kind of want to know that and she's like yeah we don't have it i was like yeah you don't care about it because it's my

money not your mate on the credit card they're pretending to protect themselves not you but on the debit card she's like i don't care it's just your money i

don't care if it goes away yeah anyway uh so there you go that's i think that's it

that's all the stories that we have for you guys this week louis you're still here

i made it man you made it all the way to the edge i can't believe it sim card made it i can't believe it

that's that i'm happy that you were able to stay here for the whole show did you get any big uh italian plans for tonight

you go to the opera or something it's it's 11 15 and uh san pellegrino i

think i'm gonna go to sleep is what i'm gonna do yeah all right that sounds good too all right well uh we're gonna go ahead and wrap it up that's all the cool

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next time i'm not going to go out and get the

pizza pie for luis huh i'm gonna go out there

shhh up in the mountains i'm just looking on the map here what huh

what i can't hear where you're standing can't have me i can't now

and now you're going to stop now you're just not talking oh my god

what this is the quality the quality production that people look for

they pay extra for this right [Music] this is what i have to deal with every week that's what i have to deal with

every single week it's like that who's on first bit you know it really is huh what who's on where where'd who go

who's on what yeah exactly that's what i said [Music]

i'm sweating like a hog and i don't mean like one of those babies louis i'm like an actual hog

how hot is it in seattle right now it's too hot i'm ending the stream i can't i can't have the cpu pumping any more heat

in the cold command i'm sitting here sweating oh wow that's have a good weekend