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Talking 40 Years of Mac History With Alfred DiBlasi
Apr 30, 2024
Transcript on Cult of Mac: https://www.cultofmac.com/843892/history-of-macintosh-computers/
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Music composed by Will Davenport, arranged by D. Griffin Jones
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:41 The Apple II Age
7:50 Apple Lisa
10:25 The First Macintosh
15:04 Jobs & Woz
19:03 The Mac’s Mid-Life
22:16 The Future
28:17 Memorabilia
30:53 Outro
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0:00
Good evening. We are here to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the Macintosh, so maybe instead I should say
0:08
hello, here with me to answer some questions about his time selling Apple computers in the early 80s
0:14
and a lifetime working with the Mac for a very serious and granular discussion. Alfred de Blossie, welcome
0:21
Absolutely. Quite an honor. And, you know, I will say, and I'm going to keep a straight face on this one
0:29
I did a fair amount of preparation H for this interview. I don't think I need to hear about that
0:36
Yeah, well, digging to my own personal, the bowels of my personal archives
0:40
So your first question was most people's knowledge of old computers begins with the Macintosh
0:46
Can you lay out what the landscape of the Apple II age was like? The landscape of computers was broken out by the word size of the system
0:56
So you had your mainframes, which were predominantly 32-bit. systems. You had the mini computers, which was dominated by, you know, data general and deck
1:05
16-bit systems. And then you had, we didn't call them PCs, but we called them microcomputers
1:13
8-bit systems. It was exciting. It was pioneering. It was borderline, you know
1:18
breakthrough yet with some hobbyists in there as well. This was the mini-computer I learned on
1:25
This is a photo of me in 1978. Data General, Nova-1200-MITIC computers
1:31
notice switches on the front. And there was a paper tape reader that read data
1:38
you know, holes punched in. And then there was a dump, if I recall correctly
1:42
Wozniak. Data General, he played around with those systems back then as well
1:48
But jumping from that to microproputers, this photo from 79 or 80
1:56
so I'm with the killer Apple 2 system the dual drives and a
2:03
centronics printer and everyone else was learning Cobol and IBM mainframe's like Alpha why are you playing
2:08
with those toys and I'm like you have no idea how powerful these systems are
2:14
the toy computers yeah right the toys before we had the disc drive let's go back in time
2:20
how did we what do we we we dusted off the Panasonic
2:26
cassette recorder and we loaded in floating point basic. This is the floating point basic demo
2:34
And also to clarify for the younger viewers, once you load that cassette in, which can take
2:38
minutes at a time, that you then had to spend another 20 or 30 minutes typing in a program
2:43
in and then you had to execute it. Unless though, you had Star Trek. So there's the Star Trek app
2:51
And on the flip side was the Star Wars game. But then we had
2:56
this was just so brilliant, you know, the disk to, the drive controller, all right
3:06
And this was just a work of art by Wozniak, you know, above and beyond, of course, the computer itself
3:13
And it saved you from typing the same programming each time. And let me just, oh, I just so happen to have, all right
3:20
So here it is, you know, the Apple disk drive. And, of course, the sound for the older people of the
3:26
you know that sound you popped in the disc wow we got the drive into the store
3:32
the first time we got the drive in co-worker Joey are you sure
3:37
we can we can plug this card in with the power on oh yeah it's fine because we blew it out
3:43
so that was a bummer so we had to wait you know a week or two for Apple to replace it
3:49
let's talk about the demographics of the buyers who was buying these systems back in those times
3:54
it was people with money It was, you know, wealthy professionals, you know, doctors, lawyers, accountants, inventory, payroll, general accounting, word processing, big thing
4:07
And then there was a program called PFS, which was like a free form, a database program
4:11
You just laid out the fields on the screen and, boom, instant database app
4:17
You know, once you configured the system with the extra drives and the language card and all the goodies, I mean, you were spending two, three, four grand in
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$1979, 1980. No jokes. A lot of money. People doing home finances on it
4:32
You had games was a big part of it. Chess, holy crap. Hey, you want to see how powerful this thing is
4:37
Yeah, I could try to beat it. You know, we had some customers in there for hours. You're getting pretty pissed off
4:42
Oh, yeah. Yeah, try to beat it. So, Argonne played a good game
4:46
One of the big drivers was we want this in our home to help educate our children
4:53
help give our children an advantage. So there was some really great useful stuff for it
5:00
But then, of course, the games. And I will say, games were a big part of the sales pitch
5:04
Someone wrote a program, I think it was called Fire Organ. I really have to find it
5:09
But I would tap off my stereo system and split some of the audio into the cassette import
5:16
and it created a color visualizer. Wow. I mean, it was blow away
5:22
And I told people, as I was showing this, hooked up in my house
5:26
home, I said, this is going to be like in everyone's living room in the future. You'll have a computer
5:32
in your living room doing stuff like this. You had some crazy hardware from a lot of different
5:38
companies for that system. You know, Steve Jobs didn't want to have a lot of slots. You only
5:44
wanted like one or two for a printer. It was it really pushed to have eight slots, zero through
5:52
seven. Zero was reserved for that language card. And then let's not forget
5:56
get the Apple 2 user groups. I mean, I think we had, there was a Long Island group
6:01
It had over 100 members, and we did monthly meetings, and it was great
6:05
Vendors would come in and show off all the new toys. And then as the meeting was winding down toward the end, we'd all be in the back copying
6:13
the latest shareware software. You were able to bang out copies pretty quick
6:18
So that was like, wow, yeah, that's a dual controller system. Wow. So the user groups, listen, there was a lot of camaraderie back then
6:26
And it was fun. What was after that, we had Apple 3
6:32
I sold a fair amount of Apple 3s. It was a gorgeous system
6:37
You know, the problems, they had a problem with the onboard real-time clock
6:42
which didn't exist in the beginning. Chips were popping out. There was some overheating issues, but they got it rectified
6:49
The operating system, you know, SOS, it was supposed to be pronounced sauce
6:54
Was it a phenomenal seller? No, because it had problems. But the people had them and understood the system, and when it was working, they were great
7:04
The keyboard was phenomenal. It was a great, you know, great system. A lot of, you know, promotional materials for the Apple 3
7:11
I still have one. I have one with the five megabyte profile drive and the matching monitor
7:18
Now, my friend Scott said, Alfred, you can't turn that on. the capacitors are so dry
7:25
it's going to probably explode and stench up your whole condo of course I say
7:32
nay nay my type of YouTube channel I'm going to put the thing on my balcony
7:36
have a long extension cord start the filming with a camcorder turn it on and hope that it blows up
7:43
to me yeah that would be great footage for the content correct and then it goes on eBay
7:49
so then comes the Appalisa the short list first attempt at a Macintosh-like computer
7:56
What was it like selling Elisa? What was your pitch? Listen people were used to green text on a black screen and seeing this GUI and what you see is what you get was just radical And of course the introduction of a rodential input device of the mouse the icons
8:17
you know, the desktop accessories, the ease of use, the integration of the apps and what you
8:24
see is what you get. And of course, the output on a graphical output on a dot-making
8:30
Matrix printer, you know, that went above and beyond the standard character set that was built
8:36
into the printer was mind-blowing. Pretty impressive what Apple did and encapsulating what the
8:43
folks at Xerox Park had pioneered but never got to market. So when people talk about these
8:49
old machines today, like one of the first things they mention is how expensive they were
8:52
adjusting for inflation. You know, Lisa started at $10,000 and 40-some years later, it's more like
8:58
$30,000. So, best. Back then, though, was that actually a shocking number for a computer like the Lisa
9:05
Like, was that a hard part of selling the machines, or is that being added to the story retroactively
9:11
Oh, no, that was a tough sell. I mean, the people that bought the Lisa, that was the ultra-elite high-end corporate business, more like a showpiece on the desk type of thing
9:26
But overall, from a sales point, it was definitely a flop. That was very, very expensive
9:33
One of the biggest components of that cost was the memory. And if I recall correctly, Apple's cost on the RAM was close to $5,000
9:47
But that RAM helped it do its multitasking magic. Because remember, the Lisa had a true multitasking operating system
9:57
It was very, it was a real OS. What were some of the other hit features of the Lisa that the few people who bought them actually loved
10:06
The changing of the fonts. That was like, when you were able to change the fonts on the screen, that was like, holy cow
10:15
And having, of course, the multiple overlapping windows and being able to just, you know, cut and paste
10:21
that was just very new and that was like a real wow factor
10:25
So Apple introduces the Macintosh a year later in 1984. How did you first hear about the Mac and what was your reaction
10:33
It was at the 1983 Apple Developer Conference and what was priority there was Lisa and the Apple 3
10:42
were the main topics. We're sitting here listening to Larry Tesla talking about
10:48
the virtual memory management and whatnot on the Apple Lisa. There was a buzz going around in the audience about
10:55
you got to talk to this guy, Guy Kawasaki, and talks to them about the Mac
10:58
So, like, that was, like, just buzzing through. I can't imagine there'd be a lot of other discussion at an Apple 3 and Lisa conference
11:06
Yeah, right. And, you know, the whole thing was that it was like a Lisa type technology at a lower price point
11:12
Okay. After that conference, they showed us the 1984 commercial and basically said
11:19
we got something really hot coming out. So we didn't see the machine yet
11:23
But now we saw the commercial. And then, of course, I was at the
11:28
announcement in New York City at the time. Jobs was in California, but we had other high-level executives in New York
11:39
Some people got up in the middle of the meeting and went to the phones to call their
11:43
stockbrokers to buy Apple stock. It was really very interesting. So do you remember using a Mac for the first time
11:49
Yeah. All the dealers were shuffled into a room to experience the first experience of the Mac
11:56
And it was interesting, you know, Steve Jobs, he loved music, he liked piano music
12:03
We were all handed out an album by Liz Story, is the musician, and the album was called Solid Colors
12:11
So that was playing when we arrived at the deal-in meeting. Liz Story's album was playing, and you handed a copy of the album, and then you were shuttled into a room, and they had, you know, whatever, 50 max there
12:25
and they sat us through the demo program. And it was like, you know, wow
12:31
You mentioned this. When the Mac was first introduced, Apple actually tried to sell both the Mac and the Lisa simultaneously
12:38
You know, there were still a futures the Lisa had like multitasking that the Mac couldn't do
12:42
So how did your pitch change after the introduction of the Mac? The release of the Mac did not change my, have any effect on my vocal range
12:50
I just dropped a bad joke. I'm sorry. Yeah. But, you know, it was purchased by early
12:55
adopters. I wouldn't say that the Mac was a phenomenal seller. The Apple 2 product line
13:04
carried that company for a very, very long time. The Mac was bought by really early adopters
13:11
I mean, using, you know, even Mac Wright on a single drive system. I mean, you have like carpal tunnel
13:18
syndrome and whatnot swapping the floppy disk in and out. It was not easy. If you wanted to do
13:24
work and productivity and education. I mean, the Apple II line had a tremendous software library
13:31
and hardware peripherals and whatnot. And then, of course, they had even a little bit more
13:36
confusion. You know, when the Apple 2GS came out, well, gee, that thing has color. The Mac is
13:42
only black and white. A huge help was the swim chip. Sander Wozniak integrated machine
13:49
The swim chip in the Macintosh SE allowed it to format, read, and write IBM PC 3.5 inch floppies
14:01
Now, someone who had PCs in their office and they were using Microsoft Word, oh, you know, I need to finish this document at home
14:12
Now that disc was able to be read and written on their Mac at home
14:17
From my viewpoint, where the Mac really took off, though, was with desktop publishing
14:22
Now, this was something that wasn't necessarily planned by Apple, but when a company called Aldus came out with Pagemaker, and it was Aldus Pagemaker version 3, which is 1988, and you bundled that with an Apple Laser Writer Plus, an Apple Laser Writer printer
14:39
That system with the software and whatnot, it was like a $12,000 system
14:44
that did what a $50,000 type-sitting system would do. All right. That was blow away
14:51
And that's how helped the max success in with the creative people
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because it kind of backdoored into corporate America via the graphics professionals
15:04
So you met Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak a few times around this period
15:08
What did you take away from meeting them at the time? It was an Apple dealer meeting, maybe 80s
15:14
or 83, they were rolling out a mouse for the Apple 2
15:22
And it was pretty cool that Steve Jobs came to this meeting
15:28
I was director at a company called Sonocraft in Manhattan, and the vice president, his name was Jerry Goulden
15:35
And I said, well, Jerry was kind of cool that Steve came to the meeting
15:38
He said, yeah, would you like to meet him? I said, oh, Jerry, I don't really want to bother him
15:43
He said, what's the bother? You're selling millions of dollars of his products and you help put him up there
15:50
So, listen, we're all suited up, full-blown business mode, Manhattan. So Jerry gets up and he kind of pulls it through and he goes, you know, pardon me, Mr. Jobs
15:59
I just wanted to introduce you to my young director of my company
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And you just wanted to shake your hand. I put my hand out and Steve looks at me and just snubs the handshake and walks away And Jerry was like that son of a I like Jerry Jerry Snowbig DeHughbue My VP was really angry You thought it was just so rude
16:17
But, you know, classic Steve. Listen, bright guy, forward thinker, but in my opinion, you know, from first-hand
16:23
experience, not a very warm and friendly fellow. Almost firsthand experience. Yeah, right, right, right
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Just saying it. But, you know, very different from, from Waz. Oh, my first actually sit down with Waz
16:39
was at that 1983 developer conference. It was an outdoor lunch, and there was a lot of just round tables there
16:47
and I noticed Waz, and there was an open seat at his table. And I asked, gee, could I sit here
16:53
He said, sure, join us. And it was really cool. I guess a very warm, friendly person
16:58
nice hug, hello. You know, Waz is really into numbers, you know, especially when he's in with his
17:04
the hotel rooms. Like, you know, he'll like a room number 101, it's binary, or room 314, which is pie
17:13
And we're wrapping up a dinner. And I said, you know, Waaz, too bad you didn't get room 134
17:19
And here I see Waaz, just kind of like stop his tracks. And he's trying to reverse engineer the mathematical significance of 134
17:27
And he goes, Alpha, what's so special about 134? And I say, come on, Waz it rhymes at one dirty
17:33
And he just busted out laughing. And it was all in good fun
17:39
Was' Metal Business card. That's beautiful. What business is listed on that
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Because he's actually started a few over the years. It's just a was.org
17:51
Oh, okay. This is his website. Him personally. Like a personal, yeah, like a calling card
17:56
And, you know, he had shared in me how he was taking a flight
18:02
and he opened up like a bunch of packets of sweet and low, you know, white powder
18:07
And he's with this metal car and he's chopping it up on the plane
18:13
And the flight attendant, like, stored his Coke. She's like, sir, you can't do that
18:19
He's like, well, what's the problem? Listen, you know, he's a jokster and a prankster
18:24
I remember him telling me about his girlfriend at the time, now wife
18:31
And how, you know, town, you know, she loves going to movies and, and, and, and, and, and
18:35
And she gets me really thoughtful gifts. And when he said that phrase, I said, at your level, I thought she'd be buying you JPEGs
18:42
And he continues his conversation. And I go, whoa, whoa, whoa, what was? You didn't get the joke
18:47
He goes, what joke? I said, you said, she buys you very thoughtful gifts
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I said, at your level, she should be getting you JPEGs. Oh, Alfred, that's a good one
18:57
I missed that one. So we have a lot of laughs. He's a great guy
19:01
Greg. And a brilliant engineer. After the first few years of the Mac's existence, the line starts to diverge into like full-sized desktop computers, portable computers
19:10
Some would say the Mac was maturing as a platform. Some would say Apple didn't have any product direction
19:16
What did you think at the time? I'm looking at at that point in time, Quadra 630, Mac is an LC 630, Performer 630
19:26
I mean, the product line was at one point just off the wall crazy with a number of
19:32
skews and and and and and and things like that. I mean, I'm just looking at some of this this
19:37
documentation and some of the product overview. Holy cow. I mean, it looks like nuts. Uh
19:43
but the switch over to power PC. I mean, I was pretty excited about that you know
19:49
looking at the the the power of those systems and then OS 10 was was uh, uh, it felt like a whole new
19:55
computer going from OS 9 to 10. You know, my gosh darn it. I just got finally everything nice and
20:02
perfect and stable under OS9. A little bit of a frustration at first, but a big fan of the Power Mac G3, that Power Mac G4
20:11
I had a digital audio system, I think it's still rotting in storage. IMac, great systems, you know, a big turnaround for Apple
20:21
So a few years into the Macintosh, you personally transitioned into a career in advertising
20:25
and marketing. Were you still using Macs at work and, you know, were PCs ever considered
20:31
Hybrid by platform with my own ad agency. I mean, the back end was Windows server Outlook Macs in there as well for the graphics work and whatnot
20:45
But then later it evolved where I got rid of all the PCs and we all had Macs and then we ran Windows virtualized
20:54
But running Windows on the Mac under virtualization was better than running on a Mac
21:01
a PC. It was great. We also hung on to Windows XP for an extended long time. Let me tell you how
21:07
lightning fast XP ran on those jacked-up Mac systems. Good stuff. The whole world hung
21:14
onto Windows XP for too long. Oh, yes, absolutely. So starting in 1998, the Mac starts a five-year
21:21
transition into radical new hardware products and an all-new operating system. You know, from a
21:26
modern perspective, you know, we look fondly back on the quirky computers that came out of that
21:31
period, and you know, the glossy aqua pinstripes in OS10. But what did it feel like as a Mac user living through that period
21:38
You know, after times, listen, it's just like when, you know, your favorite homepage changes
21:43
the layout. You know, back in the day, back in the day, you know, Yahoo.com was my homepage
21:49
And every once in a while they would just change the layout and you just get frustrated, but then you get used to it, you know
21:53
And for the most part, one of the things that I did like is as OS10 matured over time, you
22:01
unlike some of the Windows operating systems, when they did updates or whatnot, the systems
22:06
got bogged down even more. As OS10 was refined, the system actually got better
22:13
Imagine that. Yeah, imagine that. So where do you think the Mac is going next
22:18
Continue refinement. Obviously, we're going to keep on seeing improvements with the M-Series chips
22:23
you know, greater performance, less power, whatever. Of course, you know, the Vision Pro is now going
22:29
be integrated in that as well. I mean, obviously, Vision Pro gives us a whole new paradigm with
22:35
the spatial computing, but Vision Pro will also talk to your MacBook Pro. What I like to see in the future
22:41
let's go forward 20 years. I'd like to see photonic computing. Enough of this pushing electrons
22:47
to the chips. Let's go with light. I know they're working on it. I don't know if Apple's working
22:53
on it particularly, but that would be how I would extrapolate 20, 30 years into the future
22:59
So do you plan on buying a Vision Pro? It's on the radar. I definitely want to try it out
23:05
If I was really smart, I'd buy two. What would I do with the other one, Griffin
23:09
Keep it wrapped in the box. In the box, right. That's going to be. I'm telling you, it's going to be a hot collectible
23:15
And I think we can look at the Vision Pro almost ogous to the Lisa
23:24
Here we have the first iteration, a very premium. high-priced system, and then the technology is going to filter down to prices a little bit more
23:36
friendly for business, consumer, etc. So what is your Mac setup like now? What computers and devices
23:44
do you have, and what do you use it all for? The current system is, I'm using the Mac Pro 6.1
23:54
AKA the trash can or also as I refer to it as the Intel version of the Mac Studio
24:01
That's what it is. It's the Intel version of the Mac Studio
24:04
Three monitors on it. There's about five printers hooked up to it
24:08
There a Mac Mini as a subsystem just to handle some of the synthesizes I know if that audio is coming through But I got some synth gear off angle And then I have a Mac Pro 12 cheese grater for my music studio because I collect synthesizers
24:25
I did try buying a new Mac studio with the M2 Ultra
24:33
The trash can actually does everything I need except doing the AI upscaling using products from Topaz
24:42
labs. They're Topaz video upscaler. The trash can upscaled a one-minute video. It took two hours
24:50
and the machine was like 198 degrees of everyone's going to blow up. So I said, okay, this is now
24:55
a reason to buy a new system. And I bought the second to top of the line next studio. I figured
25:02
I'll get seven years out of this thing, like eight grand. After I loaded it up with all the
25:07
software that I use, it failed. You know, so far you wouldn't run. Firefox
25:12
puked out. You know, something broke it, obviously. Already right out of the box
25:18
Freaking Firefox crashed. What did I do? Nothing. Yeah, Macs don't crash. Yeah, and Google Chrome
25:27
crashed as well. A piece of shit, really. Holy crap. I might send this Macs Studio back. I'm
25:34
launching Safari. How many times are we going to bounce in the dock? I returned it
25:39
Sonoma needs more time and the software developers need a little more time. to get everything in sync
25:44
Hopefully an M3 Ultra will be out, and I'll go another round
25:48
But right now the trash can is doing the job except for the upscaling. So let's talk about your YouTube channel
25:54
a little bit at the end here. I would describe your videos
25:59
as angry Florida man yells about computer. How would you introduce your YouTube channel
26:04
to a new audience? Pure art. Perfect. Moving right to live. disciples. Yeah. Well, yeah, don't watch any of it. It's all crap. I think my goal has been to
26:18
lower the bar in tech videos since 2006. It's all tongue and cheek. There's only really two
26:26
serious videos ever produced, which was the Lisa 25 years later and then the next queue demo. Most of
26:32
the big YouTube channels are paying sponsors. Companies pay me not to buy their product
26:38
and not to do an unboxing video, really. It was funny. agency for Epson reached out to me a few years ago because they wrote me an email and said
26:48
look, we, you know, we've seen your videos and we want to send you this very expensive
26:53
Epson high-definition projectors to do an unboxing and review. So I wrote back to the ad agency
27:01
basically one sentence, really? Which video did you see? It was like a three-day pause and I got
27:09
a response back from the air and see, oh, thanks for the heads up. I didn't want to lose her job
27:17
When you were shooting unboxings or other home movies before online video, did you ever think
27:22
they'd have an audience outside of your immediate family and friends? My thought was, let me capture
27:27
this content and I'll figure it out later. Did I extrapolate YouTube? No, but actually the first
27:36
platform before YouTube I used was dot Mac. Dot Mac offered a platform to upload a video. It put a
27:45
stage and a curtain and it presented your video. It allowed comments. Basically, Apple had
27:51
YouTube before YouTube. And that's how I was distributing some of the videos I did. Dot Mac, you know
27:59
that video sharing platform was phenomenal. It was really very good. For every Apple success story
28:06
like the dot mac and the hypercard, there's something like Cyberdog, if you remember that
28:12
Yeah, the thing was on the front lawn. Yeah, EWorld. Right, EWorld, right
28:17
What else did Apple have? This binder, Apple, new dealer orientation, you know, more Apple publications
28:28
And here they're talking about HyperCard, you know, and HyperCard, how phenomenal
28:33
It was like the precursor to the, to the worldwide web. This is from like 79
28:39
When you were became blessed by Apple to be an authorized dealer
28:45
there's the plaque signed by someone at Apple that you displayed in your store
28:51
Here you go. There's an Apple car. That's the, I think it was a Porsche
28:56
the race car they had in 1980. That is the official miniature
29:01
If Apple did a race car now, it wouldn't have any other logos on it
29:04
would just be all white with a single gray apple on the hood. You're right. This was a little gift at the 1983 Apple developer conference
29:12
There's a little digital clock made out of Plexand. The clock is dead as my friend's marriage
29:18
But it's still kind of a cool piece. Tape that came with the Mac, with the Picasso, the Apple Picasso logo
29:26
When the Mac was launched in 1984, Steve Jobs had one of these go to every authorized dealer
29:34
to sit in the store window. Now, I commissioned the Lomonic Studio
29:39
to make a custom base to give it some LED light. Wow, here's a rare Apple promotional poster
29:46
of course I always say worth millions, Matt Groening, it's called Bongo's Dream Dorm
29:53
and let's do a slow alpha dot TV pan shot. And at the bottom it says
29:59
Macintosh, part of every student's wildest dreams. Oh, and here we have a lovely Apple II
30:04
Apple 2 Plus. Listen to the sound of that keyboard. And there it is, the 20th anniversary Mac
30:13
which I use as a CD player. Let's boot this thing. Oh, come on
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That sound is great. And whilst it's booting, we'll go over here
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So I think this was a Mac 512. It had an internal 20 megabyte hard drive
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which doesn't work. And it's a little bit in stealth. mode, but there indeed is a next cube. And that does work, at least the last time I booted it up
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And we're getting a nice MacOS 7 on the TAM. Look at that. There's the book. The Cult of Mac
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I don't know. Do you guys all write that one? So what video projects are you working on now that people can look forward to
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Well, let's see. I have two new home pods rotting on a table in the studio side condo
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So maybe I'll film a crappy unboxing video and I'll give you a shout out
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Where can people find you online? You can find me online at the Italian bakery at the local supermarket
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You can find me online at the USPS Postal Service for when I send out late Christmas gifts
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But speaking seriously for a brief moment, it's alfred.tv. That website has the anti-social media links on there and a little bit of backstory
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I do have an email address. I wanted it to be something unique
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So instead of mail at Alfred.tv, it's, you know, MailSack, M-A-L-S-A-C-K at Alfred.T-T-V
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But, of course, M-A-L-E-S-A-C-K at Alpha. Dot TV also works, just to be funny
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YouTube.com at my first initial, A, last name, DeB-L-A-S-I-E-L-S-I. So you start at Al-F-A-V-D-E-V-E-E-S-I-E
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All the links are there. So that's what you can find me. Thank you so much for joining us for this wonderful conversation
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I'm going to end the video the same way you end your videos by saying, welcome to cult of mac.com
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Take it, Griffin. Thank you again
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